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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.05 22:14:00 -
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Look, you want to collect "garbage" from other peoples kills, then that is fine as long as you are doing it normal space. If you fly into someones mission while they are running it and start salvaging from under them then you are stealing plain and simple. I don't know about the rest of you, but the missions i run generally create about 10 million isk worth of "garbage" as some of you have put it. There is no argument to justify that that is not stealing. If you fly into someone else's mission and are not a part of their fleet, then you should immediately be considered an aggressor and they should have the right to kill you. It's not your mission, and you have no reason to be there unless you are intending on stealing from that person or group.
Now, if they have turned in the mission before they decided to go back and salvage, then I say free game. If the mission is still open then stay the f' out of it!
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.06 04:30:00 -
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in case you did not see the response to this argument earlier, these thieves are using alt in npc corps so that they can not get war decked. They are not stupid. I also adapted to the situation and blew up the remaining wrecks before the a-hole could get to them. Someone that is not in my corp or alliance will not profit off of my work. It's stealing and anyone who says it is not is a thief defending their actions and exploiting a loophole that will soon be corrected I hope.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.06 05:15:00 -
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I am aware of how it was set up. I also keep calling them thieves because they are. If they weren't then they would not be using an alt in a npc corp and refuse to interact with you when you try to contact them. Yes, they are thieves.
Ok let's look at it like this. I spend the isk to buy the ship to run the missions. I spend the isk on the ammo used to blow up the ships in the mission. I take all the risk of destroying the ships. I spend 30+ mil to setup a dedicated salvage ship. I use my time playing the game to kill, loot, and salvagemissions. Why should someone else have the right to steal my salvage with no fear of repercussions after I do all of the work? IT IS STEALING!
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.06 05:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Xindi Kraid
You spend 30mil on a salvager?
There is something wrong with you I think.
Also it's not stealing because its NOT YOURS
Well, if that is your logic, then it is not yours either. So, I guess that means you are stealing it. During the mission it should belong to the mission runner. Yes, you should be able to scan out wrecks. Yes anyone entering someone else's mission should be viewed as hostile.
And yes, I spent the isk setting up the salvage ship in order to salvage a mission quickly. It has more than paid for itself many times over. I guess that if it were up to you it would be completely useless because you are a thief.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.06 14:42:00 -
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The game is supposed to be set up to allow for many different styles of gameplay. If they did not want that then High sec would not be as secure as it is now. It appears as though they are creating a safe haven for those players who want to run missions or mine and not deal with pvp. You seem to think that the players following the rules and not griefing other players should move out to low sec in order to get away from, or fight off the griefers. I say the griefers and the thieves should have to live in low sec and let the non pvp mission runners live thier pvp free game lifes in peace.
It IS stealing. The more you argue that it is not, the more you sound like thieves. Get over it. What you are doing is wrong and you know it. and don't give me this sob story about how are we salvagers supposed to survive? Kill a ship a freakin change.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.08 01:14:00 -
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haha, I do go to low sec and null sec. I am also not the only player that wants this changed.
How about this then why don't all you "salvagers" out there ask if the mission runner would mind if you salvaged the ships before just stealing the salvage from them? Maybe then you won't be so hated and have to hide in npc corps in order to survive.
P.S. locking a discussion is not going to stop me from pursuing a change in this area.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:35:00 -
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that statement from ccp and a locked thread is not going to deter me from trying to get it changed.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.08 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
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that sounds like a good solution, why dont you try it and listen to all the ninja salvager tears and come brag about it, i would love to see that
Yea they really do seem to whine about how hard their game life is and how us mission runners should just let them have our salvage when we spent our time killing them. Freakin' crybaby thieves. What do ya know, just like in the real world. The underachievers wine about how hard they have it and think that the successful people owe them stuff because they already have enough. Lame!
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.08 16:45:00 -
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that does not void my argument. Let them ninja salvage, but just don't let them do it without consequences.
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Commander Kaj
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Posted - 2008.09.08 17:11:00 -
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well, congratulations for not being one of the chicken sh*t "salvagers" that are out there now. If you gave them a chance to fight back then bravo to you sir.
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